Lets be respectful to one another as co-inheritors of the Kingdom and not act in our flesh. It is the spirit of writing off Will you tithe if I pray for you and God gives you your arm back? Torben Sndergaard is part of the Oneness Pentecostal sect. Torben himself said we NEVER feel anything, but didnt Jesus feel something when the power of God flowed from Him into the woman who had the issue of blood? Most interpret that to be saying that they will say that they themselves are Christ, but I do not believe that is what it is saying. If we start treating them as playthings and as idols, then we are as those trying to carry and play with fire with bare hands, and I have been a witness of this. hesitate) to do something (for fear of harm) Its time to do an article on this guy. I believe the purpose of Torbens video is to show how to make disciples, take them out on the street to pray and witness. I pray that His peace and mercy be upon you and every person that reads your material. 3.and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit in faith with the signs of tongues, casting out demons and healing the sick with the laying on of hands in faith. Weve seen enough of the problems. Then we have WALKING ON WATER.PETER DID TOO for a short time. Jesus 1st miracle was getting a whole wedding party DRUNK.by turning water into the very best of wines. It is not a matter of pooh-poohing miracles, not at all for I have seen the Spirit of God at work, as have so many many believers, but it would never have even dawned on me to get a video camera and if that thought ever came to me I would have to say get thee behind me Satan for thou hast not in mind the things of God but the things of man. Dont let him do it to you. If a person is suffering, I would rejoice that their suffering is over. How can anyone with a sound mind say that In Jesus and the apostles day their miracles were accompanied by this nascent WIERDSVILLE? Doing the REAL thing is NOT a prim and proper church serviceit is messy..take a look at the demonic deliverances in the NT. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Tragically, very few insights about his significant other are accessible on the internet. On the Last Reformation website, it is stated, "We believe that the church is facing a new reformation." Specifically, A reformation that will go deeper than any reformation before: away from church traditions, suffocating structures and countless meetings in church buildings. I dont even have the right words for the understanding that I do have, or think I have. At the meeting, Sndergaard says he was accused by FBI agents of smuggling weapons into the U.S. from Mexico, a claim hewholeheartedly denies, and placed in handcuffs. Person will mostly manifest a demon (Satan has to put on a show after all). http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel46.pdf. How different Jesus was from those sectarians who, like the Scribes and Pharisees, search sea and land to make a member of their group, only to make him twice as much the child of Hell as themselves (Matt. `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He (Jesus) explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` (Luke 24: 27). A Florida immigration judge has denied evangelist Torben Sndergaard's request for asylum. Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from Prison Call in LIVE: (866) 348-7884 Thats not me even mentioning all the weird things that happened while I was at his school for 2 months before I left. AUTHenticity= AUTHor, AUTHority It is all about Him and not of us at all. But many of the same practices are done at Johnsons school as well as Joyners school. He told us that He is our ONLY Teacher Matthew 23:8-10; and the 5 fold ministry He has gifted to His Body, is Him, so let us seek His understanding to find out who are those of Him and those who are false 5 fold ministers.. It means what it says LET it shine- get the h out of the way and let Jesus wonderful love and works flow out of us blazing like the sun in all His glory! everything. It is unwarranted accusation and nit-picking. The Fiery Presence led them by night. But I guess thats what powerless religion us all about. This video speaks of the amazing things that happen when you take new believers out healing the sick, preaching and baptizing, etc. Keep standing strong in the Lord and preaching and demonstrating the Truth in these last days. VOILA.hundreds of people come forward in 1 hour! HOW NOT TO GAIN ENTRANCE THROUGH HEAVENS GATES? I believe they would prefer to keep the status quo going, so that they do not feel compelled to go out in the highways and biways themselves. I still have a lot on my heart regarding TLR, the kickstarts, etc. I have heard the context of that statement explained by Bill Johnson in one of his sermons, He clearly stated in that sermon that Jesus is God and then he said that Jesus didnt perform His miracles as God but as Man, He explained that he was making the point and he was very clear on this in his sermon that we as born again believers can do empowered by the Holy Spirit the same miracles which Jesus completed while He was on earth as Jesus wasnt using His Divinity to perform those miracles but was performed them as a surrendered Man to the will of God, i.e. It didnt work. Marilyn. Marilyn- beautiful words Sister Click the gear icon at the bottom right corner of the comment box, then click EDIT. I dont want to put myself on par with Jesus and assume my obedience to the Father is perfect; it isnt. Absolutely not! He may think he is, but it may be otherwise. Are you sure what you are talking, Hullo Artus. Also, please read what our Jesus did. Jesus shows us TRUE FAITH. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. Romans 8:8 teaches us that those in the flesh cannot please God. But where are these authentic Jesus miracles in WIERDSVILLE ? Many people have asked me what I know about Danish evangelist Torben Sondergaard, the founder of the Last Reformation movement, and whether he's part of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). I knew it would not be wise to thus lay my hands upon the sick woman, as I was likely to jar her. Fear THAT MAN! Everything was dependent on the Spirits uniting men to God through their faith. It is THE ENEMY that COUNTERFEITS the things of God! Rom 3:23 KJV For all have sinned, and COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD; In other words.you have failed to manifest the tangible Presence of God and His Nature. `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` this man has understanding of what it is all about, going to the needy.Groups of youth go out in Redding, Ca to pray for people. He avoided being arrested in 2019. They will walk into a childrens hospital and clear it out, even patients who had chemo for cancer will have their hair grow back. And Jesus, being conscious that something had flowed from Him, said to Peter, Who touched Me?, Peter replied, Why, Master, You see the crowd, and do You still ask, Who touched Me?, I know somebody touched Me, He said, for I perceive that virtue has gone out of Me. (See Mark 5:2534.) God Andrew Strom COMMENTS? [3] Christ is the greatest servant, and only He through us serves us and others. Who says that someones new birth experience has to be like a drive up fast food place? GaryB quoted the right scripture in Acts 5:38-39, And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow itlest you even be found to fight against God.. Doves dung represents a past movement of the Holy Spirit, a great revival from the past, but now long dead, that has been denomination-alized in the attempt to keep it alive beyond its time. The arm had been totally severed at the shoulder. Youre right on that. Amen Barry, the things I have encountered and seen are incredibly weird. Are you married? A friend of mine then asked her if she wanted to become a Christian having seen the power of God at work God is good to heal the unsaved to show who He is. Jesus also gave the great commission, in Mat 28:18-20 saying All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. And what I learn from these ones is how the Holy Spirit through them has a real heart & compassion for those they come in contact with & that is making me address the `now,` as well as an eye on `direction.`. Yet, there are millions who say to his face, Sorry Jesus, but you neither fulfilled the law of circumcision nor water baptism. He never flattered people in power, such as Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea, enticing them to join His group and help Him If He had compromised with the Pharisees, He could probably have obtained worldly influence easily. Barry, my dear friend in Jesus, you have shown us exactly what our Lord wants us all to begin doing in these last days. If you dont believe that Bill Johnson is in Gods family what should your response to him be? If God is doing it, then it is sweet if man is doing it then there is bitterness. He avoided being arrested in 2019. But the Lord is both merciful and mighty and He is able to deliver His own if they are willing and repent of idolatry etc. They watched how the Lord sent them into the Land and took victory over and over. Jhn 17:13 NASB But now I come to You; and these things I speak in the world so that they may have My joy made full in themselves. I am limiting my comments to the specific issue raised above of whether Bill Johnson believes in the Divinity of Christ which he does which makes him our brother in the Lord , I am not going there with respect to your previous question about your friend . My entire life is spent in a life of obedience to our Lord. Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. Further, He personally commissioned them to perform these miracles. This is very subjective and there is absolutely no way for anyone watching the video to say with certainty if these healings are genuine or not, based on just watching the video. I know his Asking questions is always wise and yet skeptism and cynicism is folly also. JeffM, I believe you misintrepeted my comment about obeying God. I think the real point of the videos is to teach people to go out in public and pray for the sick and tell them about Jesus. I do not see anything wrong with what they are doing. Or, would he just rebuke the illness, and be on to the next person? Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, Outline of Biblical Usage, https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g908/kjv/tr/0-1/. No, If Bill Johnston belongs to the Lord as I know that he does (I have been praying for him interceding for him I know that God has a plan for him in the USA) and you say that he doesnt and worse you say that he is a false prophet, a false teacher and a false evangelist (if thats what youre saying) when his heart is actually set on the Lord and to the best of his current knowledge he is serving the Lord if you say that when in reality he has been born of God, knows that Jesus is God and is his Lord then I believe this following scripture applies to you (and to anyone else who agrees with you), But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another. They complain about the driver, while they sit and do nothing. Gods whole plan was to tabernacle with man, and yet the Hebrews wanted Moses to hear from God and they would do whatever God told Moses to tell them to do. If a man comes performing miracles and his LIFESTYLE is one of self seeking, self indulgence, immorality, greed, materialism, selfish ambition THAT MAN IS A WOLF! Spirit of FIRE enters person and they start to speak in tongues, convulse, jerk, have visions, etc. Danish TV infiltrated his ministry with undercover reporters for a documentary titled God's Best Children, which lumped Sndergaard in with other leaders of so-called "radical Christian" ministries who had had serious moral or ethical failures or even criminal activity. God said for us to acknowledge him in all our ways and he will direct our paths. OFFICIAL UPDATE ON TORBEN SONDERGAARD: January 17, 2023. EVERYTHING IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS BASED ON FAITH/TRUST AND SURRENDER. Isnt it true that we all usually cease arguing and just start being in awe and amazement and gratitude and joy when Jesus walks in us and does His wonderful works in us? And full gospel is exactly what you will see Torbens Last Reformation is all about as he takes bits and pieces from every so called Christian doctrine and mingles them together. Andrew, you and your followers are in huge trouble. Sndergaard claims to receive visions of Heaven and Hell directly from God. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. At last this gives me hope I was beginning to think God had forgotten us who are ill = Yes, I always believed He heals today He just doesnt heal me No I wont let that effect me I love Jesus and always will and will always endeavour to follow Him as His Word says Trust and obey I will. other ditch on the far side of the road. cynics, skeptics, squashers of joy, etc.). Anyone who does not agree with this is just trying to drag you backwards. It confuses me right now, but hopefully it will clear up later, when I read more. It needs to be the Holy Spirit enlightening our eyes with His keys for interpreting His Word. 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